Bernie and Warren Are FAR LEFT EXTREMISTS!

The David Pakman show subreddit now has nearly
14,000 subscribers. Um, this is a great place for people to talk
amongst themselves about politics to suggest ideas for the show. Uh, we have one of the
largest independent progressive media subreddits and it is increasingly active with a lot of
good stuff and stuff I don’t agree with, which is totally fine. One Post I noticed this morning
is a post from someone named everybody loves crayon saying, David needs to stop with the
Shtick that candidates like Warren and Bernie aren’t far left in the context of modern American
politics. They are, maybe they aren’t far left when compared to David’s personal views,
but they are in modern American politics. David loses credibility with people like me
on the right. When he says stuff like this, you can’t just compare them to other countries
in Nordic countries. They’re not far left. So what? We’re not in Nordic country or any
other non American country. This is a very typical right-wing view, which
is as he says, it’s not, we’re not any non-American country. We are America. Therefore everything
has to be evaluated solely in the context of what is normal in America. That’s a loser’s
game and the person says, you know, I, I lose there on the right. I lose credibility with
them. When I say Bernie and Warren are not far right, I would lose credit quote credibility
with you for something else. You’re, you’re not the person that I need to maintain credibility
with. You have a very narrow American centric view merely because you live in the United
States understand that the world is more than the United States. I’m trying to present a
perspective on this channel now on my, on my show that tells us, just because you’re
a US-based blinders give you one impression doesn’t mean that when you expand your horizons,
you realize the very different political reality of the world. So that’s why I you, the whole point here
is to say, yeah, we have a very skewed view in the United States of what is considered
far left. When you look at any other developed rich country like ours, anywhere in the world,
they have a healthcare system that makes sense. They deal with gun control in a way that makes
more sense, et cetera. So I, I completely reject what it is that you’re saying here.
And if I’ve lost credibility with you, because I’m telling you the reality that in the United
States you have an Overton window that is far to the right of where it should be given
what other countries are doing and have achieved. Uh, then, I’m sorry, I guess I’m not credible
on that basis. Another post from the subreddit, a very interesting article on Huffington post,
which encourages Beto O’Rourke to pick a race that he can win. This is a exactly what I have been saying
for a couple of months now. Beto O’Rourke in the first democratic debate imploded. He
lost any chance he had to be the Democratic nominee. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy and it
certainly doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t love to see Beto replace a senator in Texas. He
failed to do so with Ted Cruz in 2018, but maybe he could do it with John Cornyn in 2020
and I set it what it must, six, eight weeks ago, Beto should abandon the presidential
campaign, go back to Texas and use his national recognition to run against John Cornyn. Uh,
there are now more and more op-eds that are suggesting he do exactly that. I love it.
He should do it. He’s got no shot to win the Democratic nomination. Some people I know
will write in and say, David, he has no shot to defeat John Cornyn. He can get in the way of John Cornyn in a
very significant way, causing Republicans in Texas and nationally to have to spend a
ton of money to defend that seat. It will weaken Texas for Republicans if Beto simply
does as well as he did against Ted Cruz, and I actually think he could win. Um, it would
be a fight, but I think that he could win. So really glad that people on the subreddit
are pointing to that. Join the David Pakman show [email protected] slash reddit
that’s r e d d it, I think before we know it, we’re going to have a 15,000 sub reddit
subscribers. They’re very exciting stuff.

100 comments on “Bernie and Warren Are FAR LEFT EXTREMISTS!”

  1. Walter Siwel says:

    #Bernie2020 #Warren2020

  2. alain rocque says:

    David, you claim that the Overton window in the US is far more to the right and also that far left here isn't far left compared to the "rest of the world". You clearly think the rest of the world equals Europe, Scandinavia and Australia/New Zealand. However, Latin America, Africa and Asia are waaaay more socially conservative than Europe.Not to mention the middle east, Russia and former Soviet countries . If you want to compare the US to "the rest world" try not ONLY comparing it to the most liberal parts of it. Folow your own advice and expand your view of the world.

  3. Realjoesilva says:

    Beto announced he has no plans to run for senate.

  4. The Stig says:

    When you want the world to be taken back to the 1500's, I imagine Sanders and Warren do seem extreme.

  5. hnljojoilbvtgfyvgub says:

    what's up with all your troll titles lately???

  6. Luc Krumeich says:

    They can't handle the Bern

  7. Mark Keller says:

    Republicans want it both ways, but will concede no points on their side to have it actually work.

  8. Tim S says:

    I agree that Beto should drop out and run for Congress. Last night, he made it clear that he's not going to do that.

  9. Lauren Brown says:

    Conservatives lose credibility with me when they characterize Warren and Bernie as radical or far left. Corporate personhood is radical and far right. Businesses get religious liberties now. Right wing domestic terrorism is alive and well. The military industrial complex is 500x any other country. Red states want to jail women for life because an abortion might prevent the second coming of Christ. We are headed toward an authoritarian regime under a GOP president. If Republicans were asked by media outlets whether they're taking their party too far right, I might entertain the talking point that we have a far left. If Republicans reached across the aisle to Democrats as often as liberals hand over their power to the GOP, they might have a point. If Bernie and Elizabeth Warren look radical to them, it's because our country is far right and they lack self-awareness.

  10. John Prodject says:

    David, in the future, it might not be a great idea to post reddit usernames. That guy has had his account for three years, it would be a shame if maybe a half-dozen members of your massive audience were to harass u/everybodylovescrayon off of reddit….

  11. Gustav says:

  12. Sherald Hill says:

    How many of you would trade the US for any other country’s overall lifestyle and policy makeup? That’s what that first person was getting at… we are different here in the USA… our population melting pot and our resources just make our situation different than all of these countries people try to compare us to.

  13. Jake B says:

    You are American sorry David… you need to compromise and reason with your countryfolk, not Swedes etc.

    It's not skewed because it's more to the right than you agree with… that's your country's reality!! OMG haha. Any sane person who wants the best for the whole of their polity would compromise, concede some contentious issues not like by most of the population – even if Swedes like or do it.

  14. Gregg Sidwell says:

    'Juxtaposition' that's what it's called and we see it especially here in Canada living next door to a cultural and economic but backward giant like the U.S.A!

  15. Two Sheds Johnson says:

    David, if we're supposed to model ourselves more with the Nordic model, then you don't get to pick and choose which aspects of that model you keep and discard for convenience. Their model works because of ALL the aspects of that model. So, if you want all the social programs the Nordic model has, be prepared for EVERYONE to pay for that model, not just the millionaires and billionaires…tell your cohorts Bernie and Warren this because they seem to think the rich can fund the overwhelming majority of everything we want. The Nordic model works partially because EVERYONE helps support it. You can't have a society where one group is expected to provide for everyone else. If someone is getting something basically free, you think they're gonna want less or more of that thing???

  16. Greg Miller says:

    In Canada they would be centrists, the whole world has the programs the Progressives want.Why anyone wouldn't want med-a-care is beyond me it's like saying 'Mom's sick, to bad she better die ,we don't want to save her'

  17. Lucien Hicks says:

    Lol imagine being stupid enough to think that's true…the Trumptards are an absolute laughingstock

  18. James Keller says:

    Not to mention the 'put the blinders on and view things ONLY from an American Perspective' mentality is the entire reason why we, as a country, have fallen behind the rest of the western world in crime and safety, mental and emotional health, and economic fairness and opportunity.

  19. BTW says:

    There is more than just American corrupted politics! Bernie and Warren are moderates in any other western country.

  20. The Kiddie Stool of Bastounin says:

    I'm scared (hides in bunker)

  21. eekns says:

    Beto, if he were handled correctly, could be marketed as a new JFK.

  22. BURT- TV says:

    David, So you know I changed my underwear last week so I'm good dude!

  23. Read My Lips - News & Politics says:

  24. Mamba Tumba says:

    Far left extremists?! Didn't you say Bernie is a social democrat instead of a democratic socialist?

  25. Shirley Andrews says:

    “I like Liz”. I’m going to have stickers made. USA is so poorly educated it’s embarrassing.

  26. Humboldt HipNeck says:

    Also, they aren't far left here if you look at the polling on specific policies.

  27. Baconthief says:

    As a Texan. That hispandering sent him waaaaay back here. Jesus Christ who the fuck are his advisors who thought that was a good idea

  28. Maaike R says:

    Saying "lets not look at what works in Europe cause we are American" is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Cause they also point towards Venezuela and say "look socialism is bad". So don't look at the 99% of the times left ideas work..(and work very well and have solved many of the problems the USA are bitching about) but do look at the 1% they pushed it too far. So looking for examples to improve yourself is a no no. But looking abroad for stories to scare yourself with is perfectly acceptable. How f-ing dumb are these people. Its like a caveman bitching how the other cavemen have invented fire…."no no don't sit by the fire cause you might get burned…fire new way of living…fire bad….just stay here and not evolve by freezing to death but for the love of God stay away from the heat of the fire. Doing new things implies our old ways are bad and we narcissists don't like critisism….so lets die by the old ways eventhough the new ways could save us". Natural selection at its finest. These morons wanna keep using coal and end up bitching when the coal runs out or they die from mining it. While the rest of us have solar panels on our roofs and are completely self sustainanble. Normally who gives a shit, let the morons die out if they don't listen to warnings. But this time the morons behaviour are harming the rest of us as well. So its time to teach sign language to the monkeys I guess. Talking science is more then their little brains can handle. Showing examples…aka confronting them with reality of your arguments makes them stick their heads in the sand screaming "thats europe not america". At some point you just need to push it down their throats and go "see fire warm, you not dying dumbass". For the love of God just look at youtube vids of americans who went on holliday to europe and experienced things like; universal health care, decent infrastructure that includes save cyclepaths, clean drinking water, green ways of living, no gun violence, less racism. When you experience it ya kinda don't wanna go back home.

  29. 101wormwood says:

    They haven’t seen extreme

  30. Inga Massenburg says:

    To tha post Everybody Loves Crayons:
    Only Children Loves Crayons; therefore, Real Adults see tha rich calling Sanders & Warren 'to far left' because the rich are GREEDY as HELL. This tells volumes because Regular Working People only see majority of Tha Rich always yell out like wild animals when it comes to paying their fair share of TAXES. Surrounding Capitol Hill Lobbying like Hunger Predators. As Repubs give tha 1% a big ass TAX BREAK.

  31. Garen Might says:

    Bernie is not far left if you compare with the US polls. His policies are popular.

  32. Czeckie says:

    Beto has a unique chance to become a statesman, run for the senate and drop the presidential race as an adult.

  33. bonob0123 says:

    Just because the right wing has continued to move rightwards and now fallen off an extreme right cliff does not mean they get to redefine the center of our politics as also moving to the right along with them. A lot of the Democrats like Clinton and Obama are really Center / right of Center politicians but are now considered extreme left by these crazy right-wing loons. Bush or Reagan would not be considered a conservative enough by them.

  34. unun septium says:

    They are far-center. I know that doesn't make sense, but it makes more sense than calling them far-left. By calling them centrists, we are comparing them to the American people, not the other corrupt politicians.

  35. Paul Maleski says:

    I live din Texas for over 20 years. I think Beto could win. There are more Dems than people think in Texas.
    Texas is not a pure Red state.
    Obama got 43.7% of the vote in 2008…
    Hillary got 43.2% in 2016 while Trump got 52.2%… 9 Points difference…
    Trump could lose Texas in 2020
    So yes Beto definitely has a shot. The gerrymandering however will cripple his chances.

  36. Isaac Rajagopal says:

    I watch david pakman and kyle’s shows, both of which support bernie and warren’s policies. But I have a couple questions about the policies which I think haven’t been answered. Please don’t call me misinformed or dumb or anything, just answer my questions. I am only a kid so bear with me.

    1. Instead of having m4a, why not just have medicare for whoever wants to switch from their private insurance, and then have everybody realize that m4a is better and eventually everyone will switch. Why not just let people make their own choices to get rid of their premiums and deductibles and copays. I get health insurance from my parent’s employer (MIT) and my parents tell me that it’s better than m4a so they wouldn’t switch if they had the choice. So why not let people make the decision themselves, and then all the people with worse insurance than m4a will switch and pay into it with increased taxes, and all the people with better insurance can stay on their better insurance. Then everyone will be covered at least as well as medicare and nobody will need to be forced into it. That’s better, right?

    2. Instead of having free state college, why not have greatly cost reduced state college, say 5000 a year, with federal subsidies. In Europe they have free college and it’s a problem because the teachers have less motivation because they don’t see the students as paying customers. So they don’t put too much effort in, for the most part. So why not have greatly cost reduced college, reduced so much that students can almost pay for it with a summer job? That way they will still be seen as paying customers and will need to be treated as such, but they won’t end up with insane loans.

    3. Wouldn’t a $15 minimum wage reduce hiring, so wouldn’t it be better to ensure that everyone gets at least a minimum standard of living by having a UBI paid for by tech companies or by the rich? Also, some people can’t work and the 15 dollar minimum wage doesn’t help them. And it seems like small businesses would not be able to hire as many employees or go out of business. So why not put the cost of giving everyone a minimum quality of life on the very rich and the tech companies that are driving people off their jobs with automation? That way it wouldn’t be burdened by the small businesses, and people who can’t work or who have been replaced by robots can still benefit from our growing economy.

  37. Magic Jack says:

    Majority of people(dem,rep, & ind) want M4A, Free public college, higher min wage, affordable housing, money out of politics, gun reform ,etc.

    Therefore Bernie is a CENTRIST, not far left.

  38. Bernadette Leonard says:

    🤷🏽‍♀️ I love them! #BernieWarren2020

  39. Bernadette Leonard says:

    👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 my hats off to you David! Narrow minded right wingers don’t understand they always vote against their best interests 🤷🏽‍♀️🆘🆘🆘

  40. Chandir says:

    Imagine being a MAGA guy, it must feel weird to perceive basically every country on earth except the USA as extreme left.

  41. Markus Schellenberg says:

    Political mainstream politics (the so-called Overton window) in the US has shifted far to the right over the last two decades. What is considered today as being centrist, is in reality completely right-wing extreme. So let's not refer to what Fox tries to sell as main-stream. Let's step a bit back, look at the whole picture and recognise how far off we have drifted compared to what a civilised society should call normal.

  42. MidScream1 says:

    Bernie the Clown and Pocahontas Warren won't ever be President let alone the Democrat nominee 🙂

  43. Oblithian says:

    it's an absolute scale not a relative one. Ideocentrism though…

  44. Mattias Sollerman says:

    Also, Pakman' has a global audience. (Probably bigger non-US than conservative audience?) If he'd call Warren far left, his European audience could say that's hurting his credibility.

  45. Chandir says:

    It's not a secret what political left and right means. Oversimplifyed, right means everyone works for themselves, left means everyone works for everyone. So the middle would be something like part of your and everyone's income goes to the community, to finance stuff that one person could not pay for alone, but benefits everyone. The USA are to the right of that scenario, the taxes they pay don't even benefit the taxpayer, they are wasted on the military and foreign bs nobody needs.

  46. Alex .Wallace says:

    David, Sadly Beto said he would not run for Senate earlier today I think.

  47. Kren Wregget says:

    so I guess having policies that the majority of the country agrees with is seen as "extreme" by the right and the right wonders why they have no "credibility".

  48. Cheryl Becker says:

    They are my Dream Team!

  49. Janet A says:


  50. Karim Bhuiyan says:

    Yang gang here

  51. Newshound says:

    We have the same vermin in Australia. Hard right that think a hair to the left of them is crazy commies.

  52. If you're in human resources Kill yourself says:

    In an insane world, the sane must appear insane

  53. DevilDelirious says:

    OP thinks they are far-left, compared to his Personal Views. He thinks they are far-left because he disagrees with them the most… OP is a hypocrite.

  54. tutompop says:

    Get em David! They keep resisting and we’ll keep moving left. All the way to seizing the means of production and shipping the rich to a deserted island. Viva la America!

  55. dave freier says:

    I can't believe how far to the right America has drifted. Bernie's positions are actually pretty close to Eisenhower's, who was a Republican.

  56. jstreets1983 says:

    You lose points with me even though that's all you can ever do. These Republicans are insane. If you call everything "far left" it means nothing. Bernie and a PC "them/they" trans parents are not equal, in terms of far left.

  57. Simon Sozzi says:

    Bravo 👏

  58. Biomirth says:

    Also, the first post guy doesn't account for the fact that what is considered 'left' now was centrist 40 years ago, and 'far left' is what was considered mainstream liberalism for 50+ years (from the breakup of the robber barons to the New Deal to Civil Rights). This guy, if we didn't have Medicare at all would say that as an idea it's 'Far Left'. It's not now, and it certainly wasn't back then. Keep resisting the media's recharacterization of left politics as 'far left' because they do get leverage out of it by conflation and disinformation.

  59. Brian Williams says:

    Mr. Overton window… "David loses credibility with people like me on the right who are so used to hearing fox news call bernie and warren far left extremists that we don't have another frame of reference to avoid this availability fallacy"

  60. Sufiness says:

    This is such a bad title. it's the equivalent of clickbait for you. It's just mean. I get your point but we can do better. There **Will** be People who see this and believe it. Why advertise for the right for free? I'm a patreon for you . Please do better.

  61. Hazzycakes says:

    A far right extremist kills you or takes your rights away.

    The fuck does a far left extremist do? Ensure you get healthcare and access to abortions whether you like it or not?

    Sounds like regular old leftism to me… almost like the idea of "far left" is just ridiculous nonsense to start with… surely not tough…

  62. neil adlington says:

    These arguments from the Right are to be dismissed as disingenuous anyway because history tells us that no matter who the Democrats table they will be accused of being "too far to the left". Evidence number one; Barrack Obama. No socialist, he.

  63. manchesterblue2007 says:

    they arent even leftists

  64. Gayle George says:

    All I know is they want to do what's right. Fuck party. Vote for the one that cares about the people and NOT OIL AND GAS!!

  65. peter says:

    They are making a disingenuous argument. You KNOW that in the very next breath they are going to shout "Venezuela!" or "Stalin!", neither of which is American. It is straight out of 1984. Remove words that can even let us distinguish Bernie Sanders from Stalin as these trolls themselves push for all the same anti-democratic and authoritarian crimes as Stalin.

    * Social Democracy IS NOT a synonym for Communism.
    * Nationalism IS NOT a synonym for Patriotism.
    * Freedom IS NOT a synonym for Oligarchy.

  66. skralogy says:

    david dont feed the trolls

  67. peter says:

    I think David forgot to mention that Bernie's policies (Tax the rich, Medicare for all) actually have majority support. How can that be "Far-Left" even if you only look at the American spectrum?

  68. The Cadaver says:

    Current Republican voters simply do not have any tangible connection with reality.

    They are in their own bubble. We gotta be vigilant in popping it every time. That ballot is the needle. Keep on popping.

  69. the last wild one says:


  70. palmieres says:

    So if they're far left in the American political context, what is the Nazi party in that same context? Centrist? Fuck right off…
    By definition Sanders and Warren are social democrats, which also by definition is a moderate position, in which a capitalism-based economy funds a social State.

  71. the last wild one says:


  72. Donald Edward says:

    Yes, Bernie is an extremist. He wants the USA to be a real democracy. He doesn't want any American dying because they can't afford heath care. He want the US to address the climate change; he's thinking of future generations. Bernie Sanders is a menace to wealthy taxpayers. Let us face it. He really is an extremist. Vote for Biden. He said famously, "nothing will change." Good old Jo. He's a real comfort. Just like that Clinton gal.

  73. AL CAPPS says:

    If the progressive candidates would get off the gun confiscation kick, they may stand a chance. Millions of Americans will vote for Trump for that one reason.

  74. Golden Green says:

    Americans far left is the western world's center. Love from Canada.🍁

  75. Wesley Reiber says:

    Love David Pakman

  76. absolutless says:

    "Mommy, Daddy, and FOX give me my politics and anything that deviates from that is more than I can handle" – Every Trumpist

  77. absolutless says:

    Beto in TX means the GOP has to spend lots of money in TX.

  78. cadillacboogie says:

    You do not have to look to European/Scandinavian countries in order to make your case that Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren are not far left. You just need to look right here in the good ol' US of A to our very own 32nd president of the United States Franklin D. Roosevelt. During his 1944 State of the union address, he proposed a 2nd bill of rights which included such "far left" ideas as the right to a job, a living wage, housing, medical care, education, and more. The ideas espoused by Sanders & Warren are not new, nor are they "far left" unless you consider Franklin Roosevelt a "radical leftist/communist/socialist/insert label here". What they are, are ideas that are long overdue for implementation and will only serve to strengthen this nation during a time when it is sorely needed.

  79. Short Sweet Boo-Sheet says:

    This is why it's good when talking politics to see if you can ask people somewhere to articulate what the extreme left and right take on an issue is to see how out-to-lunch they are. Usually, they're so far out to lunch they think Obama is a communist, if you have my luck.

  80. MattOGormanSmith says:

    Their healthcare policy is slightly to the right of Margaret Thatcher's

  81. Oma Cool says:

    Theyre actually pretty moderate in reality.
    Conservatives are so far to right of fascists everyone seems extremist left even the quakers.

  82. Taejah Simone says:

    You leftist better tone down the Marxist rhetoric. It's not going to end well. That is the reason I walked away from the left. Nobody wants to live in a Communist America.

  83. Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen says:

    Even if you were to put it in an American context, shouldn't you at least base it on popular opinion in the country? I mean, the policies poll very well amongst Americans – so are they really far left, or even extremist when they are the most mainstream view amongst Americans?

  84. Clyde Donovan says:

    U.S. Politics has always tilted to the right, most corporate Dems would be considered right (not even center-right) worldwide, so it makes it seem as thought Bernie is far-left when in most countries, he'd be a moderate. However, if he can win the election and start veering politics to the left, in the far future we might get what other developed nations would call a far-left candidate pushing for "radical ideas", hell even Bernie knows his ideas aren't "radical", he's just trying to push the U.S. to the position all other developed nations are at.

  85. Cincy Spin says:

    Dude, where did you come from? You're not ranting and raving and drawing on a chalkboard and talking fast with a high-pitched voice. And your making perfect sense. Are you for real?

  86. Archibald Ferdinand says:

    You're given an olive branch to start a real conversation with someone on "the other side" and you spit in their face. But I guess you say it best you don't want people like him listening to you just people who agree with you I guess

  87. groovyengineer says:

    America is by far, the most socialist country in the world for the rich, the rest of you poor mofos are under some kinda medieval hunger games system.

  88. Lucia C says:

    Americans have got to stop confusing Communism, Stalinism and Socialism. Europe and Canada are socialist. I'm an expat who lives in Europe and I can say from first hand experience that the socialized healthcare, education, housing and basic living standards are higher than in the US. We can have a discussion about degrees and dosage, but to be outright against the very concept of socialism is delusional and ignorant. Young people should be taught these concepts in history and civics classes at school. I don't understand what's going on here. Just a basic high school education should be giving people the tools to think clearly,

  89. bjsmith503 says:

    Far left X-treme is different than far left, it has spicy nacho cheese with it's relatively sensible social and foreign policies.

  90. Angry Bushnell says:

    It's a sign of the times that Sen Warren is viewed as radical, and Trumpism is presented as reasonable. I'm so done with our provincial view of the world.

  91. in wino veritas says:

    I think that this is just the ordinary Biden supporter (or that of another right-wing Democrat, who's running in this year's primaries), not a Republican.

  92. Dave St. Clare Jones says:

    That is the problem. Americans doesn't travel that much and as such take their views from the mainstream media

  93. richard hazlett says:

    I think Pakman was too critical. The fact is that we generally evaluate not by the standard of other countries but our own. By the standard even of Europe ( check out Denmark )would u say that Trump's immigration policies are very moderate. Or by the standard of the world that Evangelicals view on gay issues are very moderate. Compare the more right-wing views here toward Muslims with the incarceration of 100,000's of Uighurs by China. Most often we evaluate according to the US political spectrum. That said, I really wish we had better news coverage and analysis of the politics and policies of other countries. We may realize that the political differences in the United States are relatively minor.

  94. Wilhelm Heinzerling says:


  95. Tubmaster 5000 says:

    Bernie and Elizabeth Warren are far left?? Only in the United States! In every other western country they would be moderate centrists.

  96. AntiSocial Atheist says:

    I agree beto should abandon the presidential race and go back to Texas. I also believe he can win. His run against Ted Cruz should prove that it is possible for Democrats to win in Texas. The country is changing. Texas is going to be up for grabs soon

  97. Jordan Baldwin says:

    This show has gotten so repetitive. We get it, conservatives think democrats are socialists/communists who want to rule your life. What else is new? Next David Pakman title: "SHOCKER conservative brain MELTS like the ice sheets when confronted with CLIMATE CHANGE!"

  98. Clown Whisper says:

    It is absolutely ridiculous to classify Bernie Sanders is an extremist it's fucking ridiculous he absolutely supports capitalism with controls he is exactly the same as a Democrat would have been in the forties and fifties he's actually probably further right than that because of his experience in in the Senate. In Texas the problem is is that the right wing propaganda machine AKA Fox News has got people thinking that social programs equal destructive dictatorships and guerrilla warfare coos. It's absolutely absurd how little they know about political ideologies in general they call themselves conservatives and they are they're the furthest away from conservatism that you can possibly get. Not one of them is conservative or understands conservatism in general. They are absolutely the radical group and they don't even know it

  99. PtolemyauletesXII says:

    David completely missed to boat on this one. Making the argument that in the rest of the world Bernie and Warren are fairly mainstream does not contradict the point the commentor was making, it merely emphasises it. Yes, many in the US are isolated in their mentality, and this is particularly true of the political media that shapes views, but merely restating the point does nothing to further the argument. The commentor is arguing that IN AMERICA Bernie and WArren are far left. The fact is, the commentor is utterly wrong, not because of the political views of people in Canada, New Zealand, Europe, etc, but by the barometer of political views in the US itself. THAT is the argument that David should have made, that, despite the political parties that get voted for in the US, despite most of the candidates on offer being centrist or right leaning, despite most people's beliefs about where they stand politically, polling shows again and again that, when questioned about actual policies and issues, in carefully crafted questions that remove leading and partisan wording and terminology, the American people are overwhelmingly to the left, and that Bernie and Warren's views fall right into the mainstream. The overton window reflects the political world, the media world, and the perception of what sort of place America is, but Bernie and Warren reflect the reality of where the American people actually are.

    This would have ben a far more effective argument from David, and I'm surprised he went with the other one.

  100. madeline cutting says:

    With that view you cant learn from anyone else, the longer it takes to learn and grow, the more time you spend stewing in your own juices.

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