Newsmakers 10/21/2012: Gordon Fox vs. Mark Binder debate


OUR SERIES OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES CONTINUES THIS WEEK ON “NEWSMAKERS.” ON NOVEMBERth, VOTERS ON THE EAST SIDE OF PROVIDENCE WILL BE MAKING A CHOICE THAT WOULD HAVE STATEWIDE REPERCUSSIONS. WILL THEY LET HOUSE SPEAKER, GORDON FOX, KEEP HIS SEAT, OR GO IN A NEW DIRECTION WITH INDEPENDENT MARK BINDER. FOX, A DEMOCRAT, HAS BEEN A STATE REP SOMEBODITIVE FOR YEARS, A LAWYER, HE BECAME SPEAK ARE IN 2010. BINNER IS AN YOU A THIS AND RAN UNSUCCESSFUL BID AGAINST PATRICK KEN DIN 2004. FOX, BINDER, HEAD-TO-HEAD, ON THIS WEEK’S “NEWSMAKERS.” GOOD MORNING. WELL TO “NEWSMAKERS.” I’M TIM WHITE. WILL BE MODERATING THIS DEBATE AND ANSWER ASKING QUESTIONS ALONG WITH OUR PANEL, TED NESI AND IAN DONIS. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU BOTH. YOU ARE WELCOME, TIM. YOU ARE WELCOME. WE’LL BEGIN, FIRST, WITH OPENING QUESTION, A SIMPLE ONE. HE WILL GIVE YOU EACH 30 SECONDS TO RESPOND. WE’LL START WITH IN CUM BEN, MR. POX, WHY SHOULD VOTERS REACT ELECT YOU? THANK YOU, TIM. IT APPRECIATE CHANNEL 12 AND “NEWSMAKERS” PUTTING ON THIS FORUM. I THINK THE VOTERS KNOW ME. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE VOTE OF SEATS. IT IS NOT MY SEAT. IT IS YOUR SEAT TO THE VOTERS OF DISTRICT FOR YOU. I BELIEVE EVERY TWO YEARS I HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR THE JOB. I BELIEVE IN MY RECORD OF PROVIDING TO TACKLE REAL PROBLEMYON ARE LIFE, I DESERVE TO BE CLOSELY LOOKED AT AND I BELIEVE I DESERVE YOUR VOTE FOR REELECTION TO THIS SEAT. WHETHER IT IS DEALING WITH PENSION REFORM, OPENING THIS THE TESTIMONY, EDUCATION FORMULA, TAKING CARE OF OUR SCHOOL, REOPENING. YOUR 30 SECONDS IS UP. WE’LL DISCUSS A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES COMING UP. MR. BINDER, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHY SHOULD VOTERS ELECT YOU AS STATE REPRESENTATIVES? I THINK THE VOTERS SHOULD MARK THE BALLOTS OF MARK BOUNDER BECAUSE I AM THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB. GORDON FOX HAS BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS. HE IS RESPONSE FOR THE 38 STUDIOS DISASTER. HE SAYS HE RACE THE DISTRICT. HE SAYS HE REPRESENTS OUR VALUES M. HOW DOES 38 STUDIOS SERVE THE DISTRICT? HOW DOES IT BENEFIT OUR DISTRICT OR SERVE OUR VALUES? I THINK I AM THE BESTDATE FOR THE JOB. I ASK PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR ME. AGAIN. ALL ISSUE ON THE SHEETS TODAY TO GET INTO. WE’LL TART FIRST WITH SOME THE PLAY TO PAY ALLEGATIONS, MR. BOUNDER, YOU BROUGHT UP THIS WEEK. YOU HELD A NEWS CONFERENCE ON THURSDAY ACCUSING SPEAKER FOC 6 ENGAGE IN THE PAY TO PLAY POLITICS. LISTED A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE SPEAKER OR THE PACK ACCEPTING POLITICAL DONATIONS FROM GROUPS. CAN YOU BACK UP YOUR CHARGES OF QUID PROQUO WITH EVIDENCE OR IS YOUR ISSUE HERE ABOUT HOW THIS COUNTRY’S CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM WORKS? I THINK THAT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING VERY WELL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC RECORDS, THE FINANCE RECORDS, YOU CAN SEE THAT GORDON FOX TOO MONEY FROM THE AUTO BODY TRI BEFORE HE VOTED ON BILL THAT WOULD HAVE BENEFITED THEM. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNOR VETOED. HE TOOK MONEY FROM THE CAR WASH INDUSTRY AFTER PLUCKING OUT OF THE TAX CODE, TAX ON CAR WASHES AND HE TOOK MONEY FROM GTECH AND THE GAMBLING INTERESTS WHILE WORKING ON THE LEGISLATION ON THE VOTE, THE PROPOSITION VOTE THAT IS ON THE BALLOT. I DON’T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAS HAD A HISTORY OF TAKING MONEY FROM GTECH AND WITH THE LAW OFFICE IN THE PAST AND PAID THE LARGEST IN THE HISTORY OF RHODE ISLAND. IT SEEMS TO BE TO BE SIMILAR USE OF MONEY GOING IN AND VOTES GOING OUT. WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULDN’T A BUSINESS DONATE TO SOMEONE AFTER A VOTE SAY FOR ONE OF THE TEXT AMPLES? IF THEY, IF THEY LIKE HOW A LEGISLATURE TREATED THEM UP IN SMITH HILL. WHY WOULDN’T THEY DONATE TO KEEP THEM IN IS? WHY THAT IS WRONG? I THINK IT DOESN’T BENEFIT OUR TAXPAYERS AND I DON’T THINK IT BENEFITS THE VOTERS WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM A PARTICULAR BILL CONTRIBUTE TO POLLS’ CAMPAIGN THAT. GIVES THEM A VOICE IN HOW THE POLITICIAN IS GOING RUN. SO IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS OFF THE WALL BUT ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS, DO YOU HAVE HARD EVIDENCE OF QUID PROQUO. THEY GAVE THE SPEAKER MONEY. HE VOTED THIS WAY. CAN YOU SAY THAT HAPPENED? HE TOOK MONEY BEFORE VOTING. HE TOOK MONEY AFTER VOTING. HE TOOK MONEY WHILE WORKING ON LEGISLATION. I THINK THAT VOTERS CAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION. I AM IN THE A LAWYER OR A POLITICIAN. CAN YOU PROVE THAT THEY BOUGHT THEIR VOTE FROM SPEAKER M CAN I PROVE THAT SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING? I THINK THAT IS UP TO THE SPEAKER TO SAY SOMETHING. WELL, WHY DON’T WE ASK THE SPEAKER ON THIS. YOU HAVE A HEALTHY WAR CHEST HERE ESPECIALLY RELIVE TO YOUR CHALLENGER. WHY NOT JUST TURN AWAY THE DONATIONS WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THIS KIND OF SCRUTINY OR THIS KIND OF RACISM IS GOING COME YOUR WAY? IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN TERMS OF THIS, MAKING THE RECKLESS ALLEGATION DOES NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THE PUBLIC ACROSS POSITIONS. I GUESS THAT IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU DON’T HAVE SOLUTIONS TO OFFER. YOU SNARE PEOPLE. IT FOLLOW THE LAW. THOSE REPORTS THAT YOU USE CAME DIRECTLY FROM INFORMATION REPORTED FROM ME. THE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION. CAMPAIGN FINANCE IS A FACT OF LIFE. THE ATTEMPT TO REFORM IT. YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP TO TAKE AWAY ANY PERCEPTIONS BUT A FACT OF LIFE. I I FOLLOW THE LAW. I HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER MADE ANY VOTE CONTINGENT ON ANYBODY. NEVER HAVE DONE IT. TO SIT HERE AND THROW THIS MUD AGAINST THE WALL, AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY IT DIDN’T OCCUR. IT IS RECKLESS. BUT IN YOUR POSITION, AS SPEAKER, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CIEWZ DO TO CHANGE HOW TO STUFF WORKS, FOR IN TANS, WOULD YOU FAVOR A RULE PROHIBITING FUN RAZORS IN THE LAST MONTH OF EMOTION WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH IN THAT. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT SOME SORT OF SILL BOMBIC IN TERMS OF DOING IT. JUST MOVE IT TO OTHER TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS WE NED TO TALK ABOUT IS ONE OF THOSE CASUALTIES OF BAD ECONOMICS AND SHOULD GET SOME SORT OF PUBLIC FINANCING. OTHER PEOPLE IN REFORM GOVERNMENT HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS AND THERE WAS SOME MOVEMENT WE WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO MOVE TO THE BETTER WAY OF DOING FINANCE, PUBLIC FINANCE AND PUBLIC FINANCING. WELL, THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT, IT HAS BEEN APLAYED TO THE STATEWIDE CANDIDATES. I THINK IT SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN’T RELEVANT FOR STATEWIDE CANDIDATES BECAUSE — I HATE FUND-RAISING. IT IT IS A FACT OF LIFE. I HATE IT. BUT IT IS NECESSARY. AS LISTENING AS YOU LEGALLY DO THOSE AND YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I THINK ITS APPROPRIATE IN OUR RECOVERY SYSTEM. ECONOMY, THE ECONOMY, THE ECONOMICS HAVE PREVENTED THE FURTHER DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC FINANCE OF CAMPAIGN AND HOPING WITH A BETTER ECONOMY AS WE SEE WE ARE COMING OUT OF THE RECESSION I THINK IT IS RELEVANT. ALL RIGHT. AS LITTLE BIT LONGER IN THAT SEX. IS THERE ANSWERNG YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO INTO I THINK THAT THE COST OF THE DEALS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AS A RESULT OF THESE CONTRIBUTIONS IS GREATER THAN THE BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYERS. IN A THINK THAT BLAMING THE ECONOMY FOR NOT PUTTING FORWARD LEGISLATION TO CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW, THE SPEAKER HAS, AS SPEAKER. HE HAS THE POWER TO PRNG THE BILLS OUT. I DOP UNDERSTAND WHY THAT POWER HAS NOT BEEN USED TO CHANGE THESE THINGS. WOULD YOU SUPPORT? SURE. OKAY, TED. WHEN YOU BECAME SPEAKER. THE RATE WAS 11.8%. IT IS STILL 10.5%. A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A PERCENTAGE POINT BETTER. DOESN’T THAT MAN THE POLICIES YOU PUT UNPLACE WORKING WITH THE GOVERNOR AND THE SENATE PRESIDENT ARE MUCH TOO? WELL, I PRESUME THE PORTION THAT A STATE IN OF ITSELF CAN CONTROL THE DYNAMIC. YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW, WITH THIS ECONOMY CHANGED. NOT ONLY A NATIONAL ECONOMY BUT SUBJECT TO GLOBAL. WHEN DID WE THINK THAT FINANCIAL CRISIS IN GREECE WOULD AFFECT BUSINESS IN RHODE ISLAND ACROSS THE CONNERY NY THINK WE HAVE TAKEN STEPS. WE HELP BY LEARNING AND IN TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT BETTER EDUCATION. LONG-TERM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT IS ABOUT PREPARING THE WORK FORCE, SECOND TO NONE. RHODE ISLAND HAS DISTINCTED A STRAGS. WE HAVE LIABILITIES AS WELL. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO. A LOT OF GRANS TO BRING COMPANIES IN. WE HAVE TO DO IT. A LOT OF IS IS EMBEDDED. WE HAVE FEELINGS AND DEAL WITH THAT IN TERMS OF CUSTOMER ORIENTED TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS REGULATION. WE PUT TOGETHER BUSINESS THAT IS LOOKING AT FIRE CODE AND MADE CHANGES THERE AND LOOK AT SPEEDING UP AND KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT THE, THE BUILDING TRADES ARE. THE REPORT, IF I AM ONE OF THE 60,000 UNEMPLOYED AROUND US. HOLDING HERE RIGHT NOW. THEY HAD A SPECIAL SESSION ON PENSION. BUT O ONE OF THE SPECIAL PENSIONS. PRACTICALLY SPEAKING WE ARE IN A LAME-DUCK SESSION. MEAN INVESTIGATE A FINANCE COMMITTEE WHICH WILL BE THE COMMITTEE. I TALKED TO CHAIRMAN ABOUT TRYING TO HOLD HEARINGS RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION INTO NOVEMBER INTO DECEMBER BUT YOU WERE R GOING TO HAVE A BRAND NEW LEGISLATURE AND WITH THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDES FOR SO TO YOU START. DO YOU START HEARINGS WITH PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE REELECTED SO YOU REKINDLE THE HEARINGS AND START IN JANUARY AGAIN. IS ABOUT DOING IT RIGHT. IT MAY NO BE A SPEEDY PROCESS BUT YOU WANT TO HAVE SUCCESSFUL PROCESS. CHAIRMAN, YOU ARE CRITICAL OBVIOUSLY. YOU SUGGESTED NEW THINKING IS NEEDED ON THE ECONOMY. FUZZ WERE ELECTED WHAT WOULD THE TOP PRIORITY FOR LEGISLATION TO IMPROVE THE ECONOMY HERE? MY TOP PRIORITY IS TO PROVE EDUCATION AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MR. FOX SAYS HE IS GOING TO DO, BUT THE ACTION HAS TAKEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, COMBINING THE BOARD OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND THE BOARD OF DEPGENS IN A LATE NIGHT FOT. HE TALKED ABOUT NOT RUSHING THINGS. THE PROCESS BY WHICH THIS GOVERNMENT WORKS DOESN’T WORK FOR THE STATE AND DOESN’T WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS. OVER THE TEN YEARS THAT HE HAS BEEN IN THE LEADERSHIP. THE BUDGET FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF RHODE ISLAND HAS BEEN CUT MORE THAN 30%. I DON’T SEE THAT BEING A WAY TO PROVIDE FOR EDUCATED AND UNFORMED WORK FORCE. IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG-TERM PROJ RECK. 60,000 RODE EYE IN HES ARE UNEMPLOYED NOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OR BILLS YOU WOULD PUT FORWARD YOU WOULD THINK WOULD WORK FASTER? I AM A FRESHMAN IN COMING. DON’T HAVE THE POLICY THINGS ON HAND. MR. FOX HAS EMERGENCIED TO CALL A VOTE ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LEGISLATION AND THE NEW SESSION BEGINNING IN 2013. HE SAYS HOPES THIS WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF JANUARY. WHILE WHY SOMEONE LOOK YOU BE BETTER POSITION TO MOVE FORWARD. SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LEGISLATION RATHER THAN THE OPPONENT WHO IS ON THE FIRST NAME BASS SWISS EVERY OTHER LAWMAKER ON SMITH HILL. THE ONLY THING ON THE TABLE IS SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEN, ABSOLUTELY THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, WHO EVERTHAT SPEAKER IS CAN PUT IT FORWARD. GORDON FOX HAD TWO YEARS TO PUT THAT FORWARD AND HE HAS DECLINED TO DO IT FOR WHATEVER REASONS HE HAS. I GUESS IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ESTABLISH WITH CIVIL UNIONS. DO YOU FIND THAT FALL? I. THERE HAVE BEEN 52 COUPLES END THE LAST TWO YEARS WHO HAVE GOT AND CIVIL UNION. IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE A VERY GOOD FLOOR. MR. FOX, WE KNOW THE SENATE IS THE MAIN HURDLE TO PASSING SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LEGISLATION. S WHAT THE TRAGEDY FORGETTING PEOPLE LIKE TER REECE AND SENATE YEW — ARY CHAIRMAN TO SUPPORT A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL. THE KEY IS TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IT IS 52 PEOPLE. OF THOSE 52 PEOPLE. 20 OF WHOM I AM SURE HAVE CAME TO SEE ME. ONE COUPLE. TELLING ME LOOKING ME IN THE EYE, AND WHAT CAN YOU DO, GET MARRIED, YOU HAVE THOSE RIGHTS IMMEDIATELY. I AM A MAN THAT CAME TO MAINE ALL TO SAY WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. LET’S COME BACK TO THAT. THAT IS WHERE THE CIVIL UNIONS CAME IN. IT IS — I PATIENCE ATE IT. NOW WE ARE THE RIGHT. EXCEPT FOR ONE WORD. THE RIGHTS THERE R THERE. WE GOT TO FIND SEPARATE. THE KEY IS TO GET A VOTE OUT OF THE HOUSE AND APPLY THE PRESSURE. OKAY. ARE YOU PREPARED TO PERSONALLY LOBBY PEOPLE LIKE MICHAEL McCAFFREY AND SENATE PRESIDENT TO SUPPORT A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL? I AM. ABSOLUTELY. BEFORE I MOVE TON THE NEXT QUESTION. YOU LOOKED LOOK YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. YEAH. HE SAID THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE HOUSE. HE HAD YEARS TO DO IT. HE IS RIGHT. YEAH. PRACTICALLY SPEAKING IT IS TO SAY. THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE RIGHTS NOW OR THE VOTE. IT WASN’T EITHER OR BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN OUT OF THE NATE IF I HAD, WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT BUILDING COALITION AND YOU FOLKS KNOW THAT. KEEPING VOTES TOGETHER. THAT IS LEADERSHIP. THE COALITION WOULD FALL APART. SO I HAD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, DOW SACRIFICE WHAT IS FAIR AND EQUAL TO POLITICS OR DOW PROVIDE LEADERSHIP TO GET THE RIGHTS NOW? AND I DOES THIS GET THE RIGHTS NOW. MR. PI NUMB BEFORE I MOVE ON. I DON’T WANT TO ASSUME EVERYONE AT HOME KNOWS WHERE YOU STAND ON TISSUE. YOU ARE FOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. AM FOR AND WILL DEMAND A VOTE AS SEASON AS WE GET IN. LET’S KEEP IT WITH YOU. MR. BINNER, WOULD YOU THINK THAT IF ANYONE WAS GOING THROW THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE UNDER THE BUS OVER SHALL ISSUE OF 38 STUDIOS KITE BE FORMER REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, BUT HE SAID TO ME IN THE STUDIO “I DON’T BLAME THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY NOT AT ALL. THEIR JOB IS TO PASS LAWS. THEY PASSED A LAW CREATING A GONE GUARANTEE PROGRAM. IT WAS THE EDC’S RESPONSIBILITY TO OVERSEAS THAT IF HE IS NOT BLAMING SPEAKER FOX FOR WHAT HAPPENED WHY SHOULD YOU. I THINK THE MARTIVE OF THE EVOLUTION OF 38 STUDIOS IS CLEAR. MICHAEL, GORDON FOX, CURT SCHILLING MEET AND THIS THING STARTS TO COME TOGETHER. AND IT — THERE IS A BILL FROM THE EDC THAT HAS BEEN LANGUAGING FOR YEARS AND PLUCKED OUT OF THE COMMITTEE AIN’T IS 75 MILLION ADDED TO IT AND IT IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE IN A LATE NIGHT LAST MINUTE VOTE. THE LEGISLATURES ALSO SAY THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS IN IT. SPEAKER FOX SAYS THAT EVERYBODY IN THE BUILDING KNEW WHAT WAS IT IN. HE HAS DENIED THAT HE KNEW WHAT WAS IN IT. THAT I WAS EARMARKED FOR 38 STUDIOS HE SAY THAT IS NOT OUR BE WHERE BUT WE KNEW IT WAS FOR 38 STUDIOS AND KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. THEN, WHEN THE WHOLE HOUSE OF CARDS COMES DOWN. HE JUST WALKS AWAY AND SAYS SOMEBODY ELSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE COUNTING THE NUMBERS. IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENTS YOU SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT THE SPEAKER FOX IS RESPONSIBILITY. WAS THE WORD THAT YOU USED FOR 38 STUDIOS. EX EXACTLY. HOLDING THING ABOUT ON THIS. IT DID NOT COME A VOTE IF SPEAKER FOX HAD NOT MADE IT HAPPEN. I CAN SAY THAT WITH AUTHORITY. IT WOULD NOT HAVE COME TO A WROTE. MR. FOX. LE WITH, HOW CONVENT. OBVIOUSLY HEAS NO IDEA SO IT IS BEING HERE TO SNEER EVERYTHING. DO YOU BELIEVE GOVERNOR HAVING A ROLE SNEER ABSOLUTELY. THE KEY WAS, RECREATED A PROGRAM. I DID NOT PK THE COMPANY. I DID NOT MAKE DECISION TO GIVE THEM. DID NOT PICK THE AMOUNT. IT WAS PROGRAM BECAUSE OF PAST DIF TULL TYES WITH PAST LEADERSHIP. WE KNEW THEN FACING A LOSS OF 32,000 JOBS IN TWO YEARS. UNEMPLOYMENT AS YOU SAID, TED. 11.9. THE SKY IS THE LIMIT AT THAT POINT. SOMETHING HAD TO HAPPEN AND WE CREATED A TOOL. THE EDC ASKED THIS TO REPEAT PREVIOUSLY AND YOU ARE CORRECT AND IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO THEM. THE TIME WAS RIGHT TO GIVE. THE TOOL. ULTIMATELY THEY VETTED THE APPLICATION. THEY WERE THE ONES CHARGED. PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD NOT. AS THE GO OF GOVERNMENT WHO SERVED. WHO SAID BEFORE THE THIEF YOU WHEN YOU APPEARED ON THIS SHOW. HE IS SAYING THAT IT IS LAUGHABLE FOR A LOT OF OR ANYONE TO SAY THAT WERE YOU NOT AWARE THAT THE LION SHARE OF THAT LOAN GUARANTEE PROGRAM WAS NOT GOING GO TO KURT SLING THE GAME. WHAT YOU DO HE MEAN INTO THE PRESS WAS REPORTING THE MEETINGS GOING ON. EVERYONE KNEW. THERE WAS A REASON THE PROVIDENCE IN MARCH. MARCH OF THAT YEAR. THIS WAS APPROVED UNMAY. IN MARCH. EVERYONE KNEW CURT SCHILLING WAS INTERESTED IN TAX INCENTIVES AND LOAN PERHAPS. THAT WAS WHAT I MEAN. I AM COME EAT COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH IT. YOU CAN COUP NOT EARMARK IT. ANOTHER UNTRUTH. IT WAS NOT EAR MARKED IN THE BILL BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INAPPROPRIATE UNDER SEPARATION OF POWERS YOU HAVE THE DUTY CHARGED WITH DC WHO CAME TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM AND TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF CAMERAS AND IN HOUSE FINANCE THAT WE HAVE A TESTIMONY TO MONITOR. WE HAVE A SYSTEM. NOW WE NEED FIND OUT AND WE WILL THROUGH THE CONTEXT OF HEARINGS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO SEE WHAT WENT WRONG, HOW IS IT VETTED. IT IS THE PRM APPROPRIATE? NOT IN THE CONTEXT OF FINGER-POINTING, NAME-CALLING OR HOW TO WE GO FORWARD AS WE TRY SOLVE THE ECONOMIC DIFFICULTIES IN THE STATE AND MOVE FORWARD. THE FINAL WORD ON THIS? I THINK IT IS PRETTY CLEAR HOW IT WENT WRONG. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT WENT WRONG. THE PROBLEM IS HOW DID IT GET STARTED THIS THE WAY IT GOT STARTED WAS POORLY. HE SAID IT WAS NOT EAR MARKED BUT $50 MILLION PLUS $75 MILLION EQUALS $125 MILLION. HERE, GUYS VET ON IT. OH, NO, JUST VET ON IT. SOMEBODY ELSE WILL CLEAR UP THE MESS. OW CAN READ, DO YOU TAKE THAT LEGISLATION, EARMARK MEANS IT IS DESTNATED IN THE LEGISLATION THAT THOUSAND SHALT GIVE X TO THIS COMPANY. NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. THAT’S THE RUTH. HIDE TELL THE RUTH. I DIDN’T SAY IT WAS — I NEVER SAID IT WAS EAR MARK MARKED. I JUST STATED WAS EARMARKED. ALL RIGHT. LET’S CALL IT ADD ON. HOW ABOUT THAT? WE’LL AT ON $75 MILLION. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS FOR. WE’LL TRUST THIS ORGANI ORGANIZATION. WE’LL PRETEND WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS FOR. HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT IS BET SNEER NO, THAT IS NOT BETTER. AGAIN, YOU A GREAT STORYTELLER. NOW TELLING TALL TALES. YOU ARE TELLING TALL TALES. YOU ARE PRESUMING FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU COME UP WITH THE NOTIONS BUT IT IS MUDSLINGING. AGAIN, IT IS NOT ADDING TO DEBATE. TALK POSITIVE. WHERE DO WE GO FORWARD? ALL RIGHT. HOW DO YOU MOVE FOR HARD? HOW DO YOU DEVELOP SKILL TRAINING PROGRAMS INTO THAT IS WHAT I AM ABOUT. PROBLEM SOLVING TO MAKE PEOPLES’ LIVES BETTER. I AM POSITIVE THAT LAST MINUTE VOTES DON’T WORK FOR OUR G. AND DON’T WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS. THINK THAT IS A HIGH PRIORITY THAT GORDON FOX SAID IN JANUARY WAS NOT GOING DO AND BROKE HIS PROMISE ON THAT ONE. WE ARE WRONG ON THAT. WE NEED MOVE ON. LETS TALK MORE. YOU TOLD THE PROVIDENCE JOURNAL” YOU DIRECTED A BILL CAPPING DAY PAY LOAN SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST OF BILLS TO BE CONSIDERED. WHY DID YOU DO THAT? WHY NOT ALLOW UP OR DOWN VOTE. THE PREVIOUS SECTION BECAUSE THIS IS AN SH SHOE THAT NEEDS. IT IS A PRODUCT I WOULDN’T USE. WE DON’T HAVE PAYDAY LENDERS ON THE EAST SIDE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT NEEDED. THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES THERE IS A ROAD ISSUE. WHY DO PEOPLE FINE THEMSELVES IN FINANCIAL SITUATIONS HAVE TO GO. YOU ALSO HAVE A BACK STOP. WE DON’T LIVE IN A SOCIETY, THE INTERNET AND TELEVISION PAYDAY LISTENERS THAT EVEN ARE EGREGIOUS. TRY WORK ON A SOLUTION BECAME TO LOW ARE THE INTEREST RATE. OR ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM AS IT WAS. OTHER PEOPLE LIKE FRANK AND THE HOUSESIDE TOOK THE LEADERSHIP AND WORKING ON THIS AND UNLIKE WHAT MR. BUNKER WANTS TO SAY. DON’T BELIEVE IN TOP-DOWN GOVERNMENT WORKS. IT HAS GOD TO BE LEGISLATURE DRIVEN. THE SENATOR CAME UP WITH A REAL SOLUTION. CAPPING THE NUMBER OF LOANS. COMING UP WITH A DATABASE SO PEOPLE WERE TAKEN LOANS FROM VENDORS THE COME SHOWED THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO TO HOLT PELL VENDORS. IT WAS THE LOBBYIST FOR THE PAYDAY LOANS SO HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT DOESN’T? I DON’T CARE WHO THEY HIRED AS LOBBYIST. AGAIN, THAT IS PART. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY PAID. I AM NOT MAKING DECISION BECAUSE FORMER SPEAKER MR IF I IS SAYING YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE CORRECT. I WOULD NOR HAVE I EVER. SISTING NOT RIGHT. THERE IS NOT A DISTRICT VIEW ON SOMETHING. KILL A BILL BECAUSE LOP BUYIST TOLD ME TO. THESE ARE WAYS OF LOOKING AT ISSUES. AND THAT ARE SOLUTIONS THAT WERE OFFERED AND WERE UNACCEPTABLE TO QUITE BOTH SIDES ON ISSUE. THEN IT IS PERSONAL. ABOUT ALLEGATIONS OF BEING FAMILY RELATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RESPOND TO THAT. THERE ARE NOT ANY PAYDAY LENDING FACILITIES IN OUR DISTRICT. HE IS ACTUALLY RIGHT. IF YOU WALK ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR DISTRICT INTO PAWTUCKET NEAR WHERE THEY USED TO BE. THERE IS A PAYDAY LENDING. PEOPLE CAN WALK OVER THERE. THE WAIT IS AT 260% INTERESTS. OKAY 1234 TO BE HONEST, I DON’T CARE IF THOSE BUSINESSES STAY IN BUS MESS. I DONE CARE IF PEOPLE TWO ON-LINE. DON’T THINK THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND SHOULD ALLOW IT WITHIN THE BO BOARD TOX HONEST. I SUSPECT THAT THERE IS PROBABLY REGULATION HAS WE COULD PUT INTO PROHIBIT THE USE OF THAT STUFF OR THE INTERNET BUT I DON’T KNOW. I AM NOT A LUR OR A POLITICIAN YET. LET ME ASK YOU A DIFFERENT QUESTION RELATED TO THIS. OKAY. SPEAKER FOX IS POWERFUL. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT REPLACING HIM WITH YOU AND OBVIOUSLY IN A NEW SPACKER COMING IN WOULD MAKE IT A PROGRESSIVE PLACE. I AM NOT RUNNING FOR SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. I THINK THAT REPLACING HIM WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WHAT PART OF WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BECOME ABOUT. PART OF WHAT I AM PASSIONATE IS ABOUT THE IDEA OF CHANGING THE WAY OUR GOVERNMENT DOES BUSINESS. IF ANOTHER SPEAKER COMES IN AND OPERATES THE SAME WAY. I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BECOME VUL MERRABLE TO THEIR VOTERS AND SOMEONE ELSE LIKE ME SAYING THIS IS WRONG. SO MAYBE WE CAN STOP THIS PRACTICE OF HAVING A MONEY COMING IN AND THE VOTES GOING OUT OF HAVING THE LAST MINUTE DEALS AND THE LATE NIGHT SESSIONS AND IT DOESN’T WORK FOR THE STATE. IT DOESN’T WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND COST US MONEY. WOULD YOU HAVE A BEEN YES VOTE ON THE STATE’S HISTORIC PENSION EVERALL HAVE OF 2011? THAT IS ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT IF I WERE A POLLS I WOULD TAP DANCE WILDLY ABOUT. THE ANSWER IS I DON’T KNOW. MY WIFE IS A SCHOOLTEACHER. SHE HAS PART OF THE STATE PENSION PROGRAM. TO BE HONEST, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE GONE BACK ON OUR WORD TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PENSIONERS BUT NOT GOING GO BACK ON THE WORD TO THE BON HOLDERS FROM 38 STUDIOS. THE PROPOSAL WAS BEFORE YOU NOW. WOULD YOU BE A YES OR NO ON IT? I WOULD HAVE TO READ IT. WAIT. I AM SORRY. THIS HAS BEEN PLOT TY WILDLY REPORTED EVERYONE HAS KNOWS ABOUT THE INS AND OUTS OF THIS. PIE SAYING I DON’T KNOW WITH ALL DO RESPECT THAT IS TAP DANCING. AS LEGISLATURE YOU HAVE TO MT. THE RED LIGHT OR THE GREEN LIGHT INNOCENT YOU KNOW ENOUGH. HOPE YOU DO. YES NOR? ACTUALLY, AT THIS POINT, I AM GOING ABSTAIN. I HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION. THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION. YOUR OPPONENT TO SERVE TO HELP SHUT. TAKE CREDIT FOR IT. A DOES HE DESERVE CREDIT FOR IT? THERE IS A LONG CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE AND IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT. CAN YOU GIVE ME A YES NOR ANSWER. YES. I WILL ABSTAIN. MR. FOX. TEACHER’S UNION, ROBERT WALSH SAID HE IS CONFIDENT. WHAT IS THE PLAN B IF THAT HAPPENS? WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. THE KEY WAS AND THAT IS THE DIFFENCE BETWEEN, MARK, YOU A AND I M. I DON’T HAVE LUX RIFF ABSTAINING NOT AS REP SEASON FRIF DISTRICT FOUR KNOWING THE NUMBERS HOW THEY ARE WORKING KNOWING THE VULNERABLE SYSTEM WOULD NOT BE THERE TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE LIKE YOUR WIFE WHO HOPE MY WILL GET A PENSION TO DO GOOD WORK IN THE SCHOOLS. AISLE IS ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS. THIS IS ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS. JUST GOING BACK ON A PROMISE. WELL, THERE WAS A PROMISE MADE. LITTLE BY LITTLE, THE SYSTEM THAT COULDN’T BE AFFORDED ANYMORE. I MEAN, WHEN OUR CHILDREN ARE YOUNG. WE MADE PROMISE THEY HAVE A HARVARD EDUCATION YOU MAY NOT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK THEN THE EYE. DY THAT AS SPEAKER. THERE WERE SPEAKERS. SPEAKERS BEFORE ME THAT DID NOT DEAL WELL THIS ISSUE BUT LOOK AT SYSTEM 3.5 BILLION IN STATE RESOURCES IN THE BUDGET. $1BILLION WITHIN THE MARE FUTURE WOULD GO TO MACK IT WHERE WE FIND CONTRIBUTION. HOW DO YOU FUND PUBLIC SAFETY. HOW DO YOU PROVIDE FOR GOOD SCHOOLS? HOW DO YOU PAY FOR FUTURE IF YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE PAST. WE GET WORKING TO PUT TOGETHER, PULL TOGETHER, A PENSION REFORM PLAN, THAT MAKES IT HEALTHY, RETECHS PENSION, SAVES MONEY. ALL OF THE PRISONS OF DOING THE LEAST WE HAD TO DO IN TERMS OF HURTING THE RECIPIENTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HURT. IT TOOKS THINGS AWAY. WE HAD CONCRETE EXAMPLE. CENTRAL FALLS. HEYED PEOPLE COME TO MY OFFICE 80ER YAS OLD. 89,000 BECAUSE OF BANKRUPTCY, GOT 5,000 WERE THOSE PEOPLE GIVEN THE. [DO WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. SOMEONE WITH 85 WITH NO OPTION OS. I WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THE PEOPLE NEED IT. WE ADVOCATE IT. WE GOT IT DONE. THAT IS PROBLEM-SOLVING. WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO MINUTES IN THIS PROGRAM LEFT. I NEED GO THROUGH A SERIES OF YES OR NO QUESTIONS. YES. NO. ALL RIGHT. WE’LL START WITH YOU. YES NOR. SHOULD THE STATE CONSIDER DEFAULTING ON THE 38 STUDIOS? YES. YES. SPEAKER. IT IS AN OPTION. AND SPEAKER WITH YOU. DO YOUPORT A PUSH BY MONEY WHO EX PANELED YOU TO PUBLICLY FUND CHARTER SCHOOLS INTO YES OR MO. YES. MR. BINDER. I HAVE A CONVOLUTED POSITION. THE ANSWER IS ABSTAINED AT THIS TIME. AND MR. BINNER DO YOU SUPPORT RHODE ISLAND’S NEW VOTER I.D. LAW? ABSOLUTLEY NOT. MR. KNOCKS. NEEDS REVISIONS. YOU SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT IN A QUICK TIME WE HAVE HERE. WHY DO YOU OPPOSE SO VEHEMENTLY. RED ISLANDS THE ONLY DEMOCRATIC STATE IN THE YUN UNION TO PASS VOTER I.D. LAW. IT MAKES IT HARDER TO VOTE IN PERSON. THERE HAS BEEN CASES OF ABSENTEE BALLOT THAT HAVE BEEN COUPLED BUT NO CASES OF IN PERSON VOTER FRAUD DOCUMENTED IN RHODE ISLAND. WITHIN 15 SECONDS ANYTHING IN THERE WE HEARD EVIDENCE OF THE CONTRARY. THE BILL SUPPORTED BY THE MINORITY CAUCUS INVOLVED. AND THE STATE MAKING IT O ONE OF THE LEAST RESTRICTED VOTE ARE I.D. LAWS GOING. THERE ARE PROFESSION AS THAT GOES. I SAID NEED REVISIONS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE THING LEFT OUT IN THE SUNSET. TO FORCE THE FUTURE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE HOW IT IS AFFECT IN THE LAST TWO CYCLES AND SOMETHING WE’LL WORK ON WHEN WE GET BACK. THIS IS HOUSE DISTRICT 4. IN PROVIDENCE ON THE EAST SIDE. THE CANDIDATING INDEPENDENT MARK BINNER AND DEMOCRATIC HOUSE SPEAKER GORDON FOX. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WATCHING “NEWSMAKERS.” FOR IAN DONE MISS, TED MESSY, AUM TIM WHITE. WE’LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON “NEWSMAKERS.”

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