Storms Of Controversy Swirl


>>>STORMS OF CONTROVERSY SWIRL. MM>>>THIS WEEK ON “COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD” WE’RE JOINED BY LAURA BISCHOFF, STATE HOUSE REPORTER FOR THE “DAYTON DAILY NEWS,” JOE INGALLS, PUBLIC RADIO, DEREK CLAY, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST, AND A REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST. AN INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF ATHLETES IN THE ’80s AND ’90s HAS BEEN A STORY SINCE APRIL. IN RECENT DAYS, THOUGH, IT HAS EXPLODED WITH ALLEGATIONS THAT A FORMER ASSISTANT WRESTLING COACH KNEW OF THE ABUSE BUT BRUSHED IT OFF. THAT FORMER COACH IS CONTROVERSIAL CONSERVATIVE CONGRESSMAN JIM JORDAN. SEVERAL WRESTLERS SAY JORDAN KNEW OR HAD TO HAVE KNOWN THAT DR. RICHARD STRAUSS WAS ASSAULTING ATHLETES. JORDAN DENOUNCES THE ALLEGATIONS.>>THE CONVERSATIONS IN A LOCKER ROOM ARE DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT ABUSE. NO ONE EVER REPORTED ANY ABUSE. IF THEY HAD, I WOULD HAVE DEALT WITH IT. WHAT BOTHERS ME THE MOST IS THE GUYS THAT ARE SAYING THIS THING, I KNOW THEY KNOW THE TRUTH, I KNOW THEY DO.>>OTHER MEMBERS OF THOSE WRESTLING TEAMS AND COACHES DEFEND JORDAN SAYING HE DID NOT IGNORE ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE. NOT SURPRISINGLY JORDAN’S MANY ENEMIES HAVE PILED ON DEMANDING THE CONGRESSMAN RESIGN. THIS STORY HAS BEEN AROUND. SO WHAT IS SPARKING THE INTENSITY OF IT NOW? IS IT JORDAN OR THE ABUSE ALLEGATIONS?>>ONE OF THE BIG WHISTLEBLOWERS KIND OF RAISED THE FLAG TO SAY JIM JORDAN KNEW ABOUT THIS OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, BUT HE’S DENYING KNOWLEDGE OF THIS. AND SO I THINK THAT KIND OF TRIGGERED THE NATIONAL MEDIA TO SAY, WHAT? JIM JORDAN? HE’S A POLITICAL LIGHTNING ROD IN CONGRESS. HE’S THE FREEDOM CAUCUS GUY. SO I THINK THAT THE NATIONAL MEDIA HAS KIND OF JUMPED ON IT. REALLY HAS TO DO WITH TWO THINGS, POLITICS AND THEN ALSO BIG TEN, PENN STATE AND MICHIGAN STATE BOTH HAD THEIR SEX ABUSE SCANDALS INVESTIGATED, BLEW UP AND CAUSED ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE FOR THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATIONS AND THOSE UNIVERSITIES AT THE TIME.>>RICHARD STRAUSS HAS PASSED AWAY. PERHAPS THAT’S WHY IT WAS FLYING BELOW THE NATIONAL RADAR. IT’S NOT LIKE LARRY NASSAR BECAUSE HE WAS IN COURT AND STILL AROUND. JIM JORDAN, DO YOU BELIEVE HIM?>>ABSOLUTELY. I’VE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS. HE STOOD UP AGAINST THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, THE IRS, HE WOULD HAVE STOOD UP FOR HIS STUDENTS, HIS TEAMMATES. THE PEOPLE HE COACHED IF HE KNEW OF ANY ISSUES WHATSOEVER. LOOK, 15 WRESTLERS CAME OUT AND SAID, NO, THIS DIDN’T HAPPEN. JIM DID NOTHING WRONG. THE HEAD COACH CAME OUT WITH A LETTER AND SAID WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT JIM JORDAN IS WRONG. HE SAYS MORE THINGS. GORDON GEE SAID I DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT EITHER. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN A CRIME, SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENED TO SOME STUDENTS. INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON WHERE THE SYSTEM BROKE DOWN OR, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE ACCUSER, WHO HAS PASSED AWAY, WE’RE FOCUSING ON POLITICS AND JIM JORDAN WHO DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG AND HE’S WELCOMING AN INVESTIGATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED.>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF YOU ARE IN A POSITION OF AUTHORITY, LIKE BEING A COACH, AT WHAT LEVEL DO YOU BRING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE’S ATTENTION THAT EVEN IF YOU HEARD A RUMOR OR SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO INVESTIGATE IT. AND I THINK THAT ANSWER IS YES. THERE’S A LOT AT STAKE WITH THIS INVESTIGATION. AS LAURA MENTIONED THE THINGS THAT WENT ON WITH PENN STATE, MICHIGAN STATE THIS COULD BE A HUGE FINANCIAL BLOW TO THE UNIVERSITY IF THIS THING BLOWS UP AND LAWSUITS START FLYING AND EVERYTHING. BUT AS A PERSON IN AN AUTHORITATIVE POSITION, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME RESPONSIBILITY.>>AND THAT’S THE THING, MIKE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THESE ATHLETES, WHEN THEY’RE STUDENT-ATHLETES THEY ARE IN A POSITION THEY MIGHT HAVE SCHOLARSHIPS, THEY HAVE CERTAIN PLAYING TIME, RELATIONSHIPS WITH COACHES TO CONSIDER, AND THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO BE OUT THERE BEING A WHISTLEBLOWER, PUTTING THINGS OUT ON THE RECORD IN WRITING THAT WOULD BE INVESTIGATED AT THAT POINT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE TIME. IT WAS BACK IN THE ’80s. THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENED THAT DOESN’T FLY RIGHT NOW.>>THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE CONTROVERSY, THE FACILITY THAT HOUSED THE WRESTLERS, LOCKER ROOMS OF OTHER ATHLETES, WAS INTRAMURAL AND RECREATIONAL LOCKER ROOMS. EVERYBODY SEEMED TO KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF INAPPROPRIATE STUFF HAPPENING THERE BUT IT WASN’T STOPPED FOR MANY YEARS.>>THE WRESTLERS I TALKED TO BOTH IN THE SUPPORTING JIM JORDAN CAMP AND SAYING THAT HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN CAMP, THEY TEND TO AGREE THAT RICHARD STRAUSS TOOK EXTENDED AND MULTIPLE SHOWERS WITH STUDENTS FROM MULTIPLE TEAMS. AND MOST PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS WEIRD AT LEAST. AND ANOTHER LAYER OF FORMER STUDENT/ATHLETES WHO SAY IT WENT BEYOND THAT FOR EXAMS FOR A TWISTED FINGER, THEY WOULD GO IN AND HE WOULD INSIST THEY DROP THEIR DRAWERS TO HAVE THEIR LYMPH NODES CHECKED AND THERE WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TOUCHING IN THAT REGARD. I THINK JOE IS RIGHT. A LOT OF THE STUDENTS ALTHOUGH THEY WERE STRONG ATHLETES, THEY STILL ARE IN KIND OF A TOUGH SPOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON’T WANT TO IMPACT THEIR TIME. I’M SURE THAT MOST OF THOSE STUDENTS, THEIR WHOLE GOAL IN LIFE WAS TO GET TO OHIO STATE AND WRESTLE THERE.>>THE ASSISTANT COACH MIGHT HAVE A DUTY TO REPORT SOMETHING THAT’S CREEPY.>>WELL, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT CREEPY MEANS.>>TAKING SEVERAL SHOWERS A DAY.>>I WOULD IF I WAS AN ASSISTANT COACH, ABSOLUTELY. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE START OFF THIS PROGRAM, THERE’S ACCUSATIONS ABOUT JIM JORDAN WHEN, IN FACT, HE KNEW NOTHING. HE’S COME OUT AND SAID THAT.>>HE SAID THERE WAS LOCKER ROOM TALK.>>YES.>>HE’S CAREFUL WHEN HE SAID THERE WAS LOCKER ROOM TALK BUT HE NEVER SAW OR HEARD OF ABUSE ALLEGATIONS.>>IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A PENN STATE ISSUE, A MICHIGAN STATE ISSUE. JUST TO THROW JIM UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE HE HAPPENED TO BE AN ASSISTANT COACH IS VERY INAPPROPRIATE.>>THE DIFFERENCE WITH PENN STATE AND MICHIGAN STATE IS IT INVOLVED MINORS.>>OUR NEXT TOPIC, OHIO IS DIVIDED, CONGRESS IS DIVIDED, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS DIVIDED. THERE IS NO SIGN THAT’S GOING TO CHANGE ANYTIME SOON. BRETT KAVANAUGH HAS BEGUN HIS EFFORT TO WIN OVER MEMBERS OF THE SENATE AS HE TRIES TO BECOME THE NEXT JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT. HE HAS A LONG, ACCOMPLISHED LEGAL CAREER. HE’S A STRONG CONSERVATIVE. OHIO SENATORS HAD TWO DIFFERENT FIRST IMPRESSIONS. ONE SAID KAVANAUGH IS EVERYTHING YOU WOULD WANT IN A JUDGE. THE OTHER QUESTIONS SOME THINGS. IN WASHINGTON FOR THIS ANNOUNCEMENT, YOU’RE HEAD OF OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE. HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT THIS JUSTICE, IF CONFIRMED, AND THE COURT WOULD OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE?>>KENNEDY APPOINTED BY A REPUBLICAN, ALWAYS WAS A SWING VOTE IN FAVOR FOR ABORTION. BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND VETTING IS A LOT DIFFERENT TODAY. WOULD I HOPE WITH THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY SEAL OF APPROVAL WE’LL HAVE A JUSTICE THAT DOESN’T FAVOR ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS BUT APPLIES THE LAW AS WRITTEN. WHAT WE’VE ALWAYS SAID WE WANT STRICT CONSTRUCTIONIST LIKE SCALIA. WE CAN VOTE FOR A GOVERNOR OR CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR AND THAT’S HOW WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. APPOINTMENTS TO THE SUPREME COURT ARE LIFE AND WE DON’T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT. APPOINT A JUDGE, IN THIS CASE KAVANAUGH. HE WILL GET APPOINTED AND HE WILL GET CONFIRMED BY A BIPARTISAN VOTE. AT LEAST FOUR DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE FOR HIM. APPLY THE LAW AS WRITTEN.>>HE WROTE IN HIS 2006 CONFIRMATION HEARING, QUOTE, I WOULD FOLLOW ROE VS. WADE FAITHFULLY AND FULLY. IT’S BEEN REAFFIRMED MANY TIMES. IS THAT OKAY FOR FOLKS WHO OPPOSE ABORTION LIKE YOURSELF?>>NO. NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT ABORTION. HE’S A STRICT CONSTRUCTIONIST. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY POSSIBLE TO OVERTURN ROE WHICH TAKES IT BACK TO THE STATES. DOESN’T MAKE IT ILLEGAL, MIND YOU.>>WHAT DOES OHIO HAVE TO GAIN? WHERE ARE THE BIG CASES WHERE OHIO WILL BE AFFECTED? WHAT OTHER CASES MIGHT JUSTICE KAVANAUGH DECIDE?>>I THINK THAT IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE KAVANAUGH ORIGINALLY WORKED ON THE KENNETH STARR INVESTIGATION OF BILL CLINTON, AND HE LATER CHANGED HIS VIEWS ON THAT AND SAID THAT REALLY A SITTING PRESIDENT SHOULDN’T BE SUBJECTED TO INTENSE INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE JOB IS REALLY LIKE NO OTHER AND IT TAKES THE FOCUS OFF. AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE THAT IS A CONCERN PARTICULARLY SINCE THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION IS UNDER WAY.>>DEREK, ARE YOU†– THIS IS A PRETTY STANDARD CONSERVATIVE JUSTICE THAT ANY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE NOMINATED. WOULD YOU AGREE?>>ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, TIME WILL TELL HOW HIS RULINGS WILL AFFECT SOME OF THE BIGGER CASE THAT IS HAVE BEEN DECIDED BY THE COURT LIKE ROE V. WADE. BUT, YOU KNOW, HE’S, WHAT, 53 YEARS OLD. HE’S A VERY YOUNG JUSTICE. HE’S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE CRITICAL DECISION THAT IS WILL AFFECT THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.>>JOE, LIBERALS ARE WORRYING THE COURT IS SHIFTING TO THE RIGHT. FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT AND HARRY TRUMAN APPOINTED 12 JUSTICES BETWEEN THEM. SO THE COURT WAS SHIFTING TO THE LEFT. IS THIS JUST PART OF THE LONG VIEW OF THE WAY THE COURT GOES IN THIS COUNTRY? OVER THE LONG HAUL, NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.>>IF YOU LOOK AT IT HISTORICALLY, YOU’RE RIGHT IT DOESN’T HAVE THE HUGE SHIFTS. IT’S INCREMENTAL, SMALL KIND OF CHANGE, AND EVEN AS MIKE POINTED OUT, EVEN IF THEY GET RID OF ROE, YOU STILL HAVE ABORTION IN SOME STATES. THE THING IS IT AFFECTS WHERE YOU HAVE ABORTION AND WHO CAN GET THOSE ABORTIONS AND AT WHAT COST. IT’S NOT LIKE THEY’RE SWEEPING CHANGES, IF BRETT KAVANAUGH GETS IN NEXT WEEK THERE WILL BE ALL THESE SWEEPING CHANGES AND WE’LL HAVE SOME MAJOR SHIFT IMMEDIATELY. IT WOULD TAKE TIME TO GET THERE.>>THE CURRENT LEGISLATURE WOULD THEY BAN ABORTION IF ROE WAS OVERTURNED?>>YES, ABSOLUTELY. THEY PASSED THE HEARTBEAT BILL OUT OF THE HOUSE. WITH THE CURRENT MAKEUP OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT WOULD HAPPEN.>>I AGREE.>>IT PUTS THE BALL INTO LAWMAKERS HANDS NOW. REPUBLICANS AND ABORTION OPPONENTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO VOTE AGAINST ABORTION. THE SUPREME COURT WAS ALWAYS THE BACKSTOP. WELL, THEY OVERRULED US, WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING. IF THEY HAVE TO VOTE AND STAND BEHIND THE VOTE TO BAN ABORTION WHEN MOST AMERICANS FAVOR ABORTION WITH RESTRICTIONS, IS THAT A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD FOR CONSERVATIVE LAW MAKERS?>>NO BECAUSE THE NEW BACKSTOP IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. WORKING TO PASS A LAW IF THE COURT WOULD EVER OVERTURN ROE, THAT’S OHIO. IN OUR CASE TO ELIMINATE ABORTIONS IN OHIO. EVERY STATE WOULD DO WHAT THEY WANT. CALIFORNIA WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT POLICY.>>DEREK, WITH THE OVERTURNING OF ROE GALVANIZE DEMOCRATS LIKE ROE GALVANIZED REPUBLICANS?>>I THINK IT WOULD. EVEN IF THE LEGISLATURE PASSED SOMETHING, HE WILL VETO THE BILL. THERE WE GO.>>I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING UP HERE. WE TALK ABOUT THIS YOU GET RID OF ABORTION, WELL, YOU REALLY DON’T. EVEN BEFORE ROE V. WADE WAS A THING, YOU HAD ILLEGAL ABORTION. NOW THERE’S AN ABORTION PILL. WE’VE HAD SUCH A WONDERFUL TIME CONTROLLING
THE DRUGS. YOU’LL HAVE ILLEGAL ABORTIONS ANYWAY.>>IT LOOKS LIKE GOVERNOR KASICH’S CONTROVERSIAL MOVE TO ADOPT THE KEY COMPONENT OF OBAMACARE WILL CONTINUE NO MATTER WHO SUCCEEDS HIM. RICHARD CORDDRAY HAS LONG SUPPORTED EXPANSION AND IN ACCEPTING THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE OHIO MEDICAL ASSOCIATION VOTED TO CONTINUE, A STANCE HE USED AGAINST HIS PRIMARY OPPONENT WHEN HE CALLED HER A PHONY CONSERVATIVE IN AN AD.>>SHE SUPPORTED BARACK OBAMA’S MEDICAID EXPANSION UNDER OBAMACARE.>>DEWINE SAYS THERE’S BEEN NO CHANGE IN HIS STANCE. HE WANTS TO ADD A WORK RIRM REQUIREMENT CHECKS.>>I’M HAPPY THAT HE DID IT. IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT IT’S FLIP-FLOP CITY. HE FLIP-FLOPPED IN THE PRIMARY WHEN HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST MARY TAYLOR ON THE ISSUE. NOW IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND HIS OPPONENT HAS SUPPORTED IT. NOW HE’S SUPPORTING IT AS WELL. WE’VE HAD OTHER EXAMPLES. HE’S THE TOP COP ON EVERYTHING ELSE. NOW HE’S NOT. WE HAVE TO WONDER WHAT TYPE OF GOVERNOR IF HE WERE TO GET ELECTED ON KEY ISSUES LIKE THIS.>>HAS HE FLIP-FLOPPED OR CLARIFIED?>>I THINK HE CLARIFIED. WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWING HIM FOR A PROFILE IN THE PRIMARY HE SAID THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE MEDICAID EXPANSION AS IT IS NOW. IT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT. HE WAS CAGEY ON WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO. I THINK HE CAME OUT A LOT MORE CLEAR SAYING I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO IT BUT IT SHOULD STAY.>>THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT, IT’S INCREMENTAL CHANGES. THEY GOT RID OF THE FACILITATORS THAT HELPED LOWER INCOME PEOPLE DETERMINE WHICH HEALTH CARE PLAN THEY WANTED TO USE. THEY WENT OUT AND NOT REQUIRED PEOPLE TO BUY THE HEALTH INSURANCE LIKE THEY USED TO. ALL OF THESE THINGS, THE EXPERTS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THE FIGURES SAY ARE CHANGING THIS PROGRAM TO THE POINT THAT IT’S MAKING IT MORE AFFORDABLE. THE PROGRAM DID SEEM TO BE POPULAR RIGHT AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ELECTED AND HE TRIED TO GET RID OF IT. I THINK THEY’VE SEEN THEY’RE MUCH MORE PALATABLE.>>REPUBLICANS WHO HATE OBAMACARE AND MEDICAID EXPANSION VIEW THIS?>>NOT TOO FAVORABLY. YOU MIGHT SEE A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT. MIKE HAS ALWAYS SAID THAT MEDICAID EXPANSION IS NOT FISCALLY STABLE. IF WE DON’T CARE ABOUT THOSE ON MEDICAID EXPANSION WE HAVE TO FIX IT. THE MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE WHETHER IT’S THE RULE WE HAVE WITH THE FEDS PAYING 95%. WE DON’T HAVE THE BUDGET IN OHIO TO DO THAT. MAKE IT BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENT. NOW IT’S AT 700,000. WE DON’T HAVE THE FINANCES 20 DO IT. RICH CORDDRAY KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. IF WE WANT TO COMPARE IT THAT WAY, CORDDRAY SAID NOTHING AND CONTINUES TO SAY NOTHING. AT LEAST LET’S HAVE A WORK REQUIREMENT, GET YOU A JOB, FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT BETTER. THERE’S 150,000 JOBS AND OHIO MEANS JOBS.>>MOST OF THE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE JOBS. 65%, 70%. I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WILL IMPROVE.>>IT WILL IMPROVE A LOT. I THINK I’VE SEEN AROUND 20% OF FOLKS ARE ABLE-BODIED, TO USE THAT TERM AND COULD GET A JOB.>>HUGE IMPACT. A BILL TO LIMIT INTEREST RATES CHARGED BY PAYDAY LENDERS APPEARS BACK ON TRACK. THE SENATE PASSED ITS VERSION OF THE BILL THAT WOULD CAP INTEREST RATES ON SHORT-TERM LOANS AT 28%. THE SENATE BILL IS MORE GENEROUS THAN THE HOUSE BILL, BUT LENDERS SAY IT WOULD STILL PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. CONSUMER ADVOCATES PRAISED THE PLAN. THE PUGH RESEARCH CENTER FOUND TWO TOP PERCENT. IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE VERSIONS?>>IT’S A LITTLE MORE FAVORABLE TO THE LENDERS BUT NOT ENOUGH THEY GOT ANY BUY-IN FROM THEM. LIMITS ON HOW MUCH CAN BE LOANED OUT, HOW MUCH PAYBACK CAN BE REQUIRED. I THINK THERE’S A CAP OF 7% OF NET MONTHLY INCOME OR 6% OF GROSS†– MAYBE IT’S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.>>FOLKS WHO BORROW MORE THAN THE HOUSE PLAN.>>IT ALLOWS THEM A LONGER TIME TO REPAY. MOST SAID THEY WERE DOOMED UNDER THIS. IT WASN’T GOING TO WORK. I THINK THE SENATE JUST GOT FED UP WITH THIS MISHMASH OF WE WANT A COMPROMISE BUT WE DON’T WANT A COMPROMISE APPROACH TO THINGS.>>SENATOR HUFFMAN PRESENTED A BILL THAT LENDERS WERE MORE INCLINED TO SUPPORT. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT ONE?>>THAT WENT BY THE WAYSIDE. THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE, MIKE, MAKING THIS AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO AND THERE WAS A CITIZENS GROUP THAT WOULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT IF THE LEGISLATURE DIDN’T TAKE ACTION RIGHT AWAY. THAT WAS THE THING THAT REALLY A LOT OF THESE LAWMAKERS WHO WERE IN SOME OF THESE SWING DISTRICTS THAT ARE NOT IN SOLIDLY RED AREAS WERE LOOKING AT THAT.>>CLIFF ROSENBURGER RESIGNED AFTER DISCLOSING HE WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI. FOR INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL. WE HAD A STORY ABOUT THREE INTERNATIONAL TRIPS HE TOOK WITH PAYDAY LENDERS. I THINK IT BECAME A REAL HOT POTATO FOR THE LAWMAKERS. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS ISSUE.>>THE HOUSE HAD THE BILL FOR 400 DAYS, THE SENATE FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS AND THEY WRAPPED IT UP AND GOT IT DONE QUICKLY. THEY’RE GOING TO BE IN BUSINESS FOR YEARS TO COME. WHAT IT DOES, STATES THAT ALLOW PAYDAY LENDING, OHIO WAS AT THE TOP FOR INTEREST RATES. NOW IN THE BOTTOM FIVE. WE’RE ONE OF THE FIVE STATES WITH THE LOWEST ALLOWED CAPPED IN THE NATION. SO IT’S GOOD FOR CONSUMERS. THE INDUSTRY CAN STILL OPERATE. THE HOUSE SHOULD APPROVE IT.>>A LOT GOING BACK AND FORTH LIKE THE LIFE AND DEATH OF THIS BILL. YOU SAY WE HAVE IT NOW. WE DON’T HAVE IT YET. THE GOVERNOR HAS TO SIGN IT.>>AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM THE LOANS ARE IN LIFE AND DEATH SITUATIONS WHEN THEY NEED THE MONEY AND THEN THE INDUSTRY WAS CHARGING SO MUCH ON THE LOAN THAT THEY HAD TO GET OTHER LOANS IN ORDER TO PAY OFF THE FIRST LOAN. THIS IS SOMETHING THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD HAVE DONE A LONG TIME AGO.>>THEY ARGUE FOLKS WHO USE THESE LOANS AND USE THEM RESPONSIBLY NEED THEM AND THEY WILL SUFFER IF THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS. YOU DON’T AGREE WITH THAT?>>I DON’T AGREE AT ALL.>>THERE ARE A MILLION OHIOANS, ONE IN TEN, USE THESE LOANS ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS. THE INDUSTRY WILL TELL YOU 40% OF OHIOANS LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. THEY SAY THEY FILL A NICHE.>>WHO WILL STEP INTO THAT VOID? IF THE LENDERS GO OUT OF BUSINESS OR THEIR PRESENCE DIMINISHES IN ANY WAY ARE THERE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS? I THINK IT WAS THE CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION TRYING TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY LOAN FUND FOR FOLKS.>>I’LL TELL YOU WHO SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT IS MAYBE SOME OF THESE CREDIT UNIONS IN PLACES THAT COULD OFFER SHORT-TERM LOANS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PAYDAY LOANS. THEY COULD BE LUCRATIVE, YOU WOULD THINK, WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY USING THESE. IT’S JUST GOING TO BE†– YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THOSE INVOLVED. THEY HAVE BEEN AT THE TABLE SOMEWHAT BUT NOT FULLY.>>WE’LL GIVE STORMY DANIELS A COUPLE MINUTES. NOW TO THE HOTTEST STORY OF THE WEEK, THE COLUMBUS DIVISION OF POLICE INSERTED ITSELF INTO THE FEUD BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND ADULT FILM STAR STORMY DANIELS. DANIELS, WHOSE REAL NAME IS STEPHANIE CLIFFORD, AND DONALD TRUMP’S ALLEGED FORMER MISTRESS, WAS PERFORMING AT A LOCAL STRIP CLUB THIS WEEK. AT LEAST FOUR UNDERCOVER COLUMBUS VICE OFFICERS SAY SHE VIOLATED STATE LAW BY ALLOWING CUSTOMERS TO TOUCH HER. SO THEY ARRESTED HER. WITHIN HOURS THE CITY DROPPED THE CHARGES SAYING THE LAW DID NOT APPLY TO STORMY DANIELS. IF THEY HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WOULD COLUMBUS POLICE HAVE ARRESTED STORMY DANIELS?>>I THINK IF THEY HAD IT TO DO ALL OVER AGAIN THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMENTS MADE AFTERWARDS. IT DOESN’T GET ENFORCED A LOT. WHEN IT WAS ENFORCED THIS TIME IT MADE NATIONAL NEWS, INTERNATIONAL NEWS. IT DIDN’T LOOK THAT GREAT FOR COLUMBUS AS A WHOLE. IT’S A NO TOUCH RULE AND THE LAW IS WRITTEN TO SAY REGULAR EMPLOYEES SHALL NOT TOUCH THE PATRONS CLOTHED OR OTHERWISE.>>ANYWHERE. IN THE PARKING LOT.>>IN A SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESS. WE REMEMBER THE DANCERS FOR DEMOCRACY WERE TRYING TO GET THE LAW OVERTURNED. IT WAS ONLY IN THE NEWS BECAUSE IT WAS STORMY DANIELS.>>I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CHIEF’S FACE WHEN SHE GOT THE CALL THEY ARRESTED STORMY DANIELS. THE MOTIVATION OF THE POLICE OFFICERS HERE, MIKE, DO YOU THINK THERE WAS SOME POLITICS INVOLVED HERE? ONE HAD SOME PRO-DONALD TRUMP TWEETS OR FACEBOOK POSTS. THERE HAS BEEN AN INVESTIGATION, PROSTITUTION, DRUGS. THERE’S BEEN 25 ARRESTS ALREADY ACCORDING TO THE NEWSPAPER. THEY’RE DOING THEIR JOBS. I SUPPORT THE POLICE OFFICERS. THEY’RE DOING THIS. HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS A REAL ISSUE. HOW ARE THEY TO KNOW IT WAS STORMY DANIELS? THEY ARRESTED TWO OTHER PEOPLE.>>THEY KNEW BUT THAT’S ALL RIGHT.>>YOU GO FIRST.>>TRANSITION. THE SUPREME COURT RULED RECENTLY EMPLOYEES DON’T HAVE TO PAY UNION DUES. THE STATE OF OHIO SAID, HEY, WE ARE NO LONGER GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCT FROM YOUR PAYCHECK, THAT 2%. THE REST OF YOU, IF YOU DON’T WANT TO PAY, PICK UP THE PHONE MONDAY, CALL THE STATE OF OHIO, CALL YOUR UNION, AND TELL THEM I DON’T WANT TO PAY ANYMORE BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE TO.>>DEREK?>>SO JUST THIS AFTERNOON THE JUDGE IN COLUMBUS RULED THE BUMP STOCK BAN IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND THE GUN DEBATE RAGES.>>I MODERATED THE DEBATE IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT O’CONNOR THIS WEEK. THEY’RE WANT TO GO REPLACE AND THE ELECTION IS IN AUGMENT I WOULD URGE EVERYONE TO VOTE ON THIS IF YOU LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.>>WHO WON?>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW. WE DIDN’T HAVE THAT.>>LAURA?>>I’M CONSIDERING STARTING A BETTING POOL TO TAKE BETS ON WHICH STATE LAWMAKER WILL TAKE UP A BILL TO AMEND THE NO TOUCH RULE TO MAKE SURE IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE.>>I WONDER WHAT THE ODDS ON THAT ARE. 53 IS A YOUNG AGE. I WAITED TO GET MY BRAND-NEW OHIO DRIVER’S LICENSE AND I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO THE OHIO DMV. THE WEBSITE WAS EXCELLENT. IT TOLD ME EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED. IT GAVE ME A CHECK LIST I COULD PRINT OUT. I WENT TO THE OFFICE TO GIVE THEM A SHOUTOUT. IT WENT SMOOTH AS SILK. CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM. THAT IS “COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD” THIS WEEK. CHECK US OUT ONLINE ON FACEBOOK, TWITTER, ON DEMAND AT OUR WEBSITE WOSU.ORG. FOR OUR CREW AND PANEL, I’M MIKE TOMPSON. HAVE A GOOD WEEK. CAPTIONS PROVIDED BY WOSU-TV, THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY

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